1 00:00:02,550 --> 00:00:06,829 [Music] 2 00:00:10,100 --> 00:00:08,240 this segment has a few different things 3 00:00:13,549 --> 00:00:10,110 going on we have some missing four one 4 00:00:16,010 --> 00:00:13,559 one stories and I read a story about an 5 00:00:17,779 --> 00:00:16,020 incident at a military base kind of 6 00:00:21,290 --> 00:00:17,789 geared more towards Bigfoot and 7 00:00:23,150 --> 00:00:21,300 Sasquatch if you like the paranormal and 8 00:00:25,580 --> 00:00:23,160 conspiracy topics please think about 9 00:00:28,130 --> 00:00:25,590 checking out our podcast it's free the 10 00:00:29,390 --> 00:00:28,140 link is in the description we do curse a 11 00:00:31,310 --> 00:00:29,400 little bit so take that into 12 00:00:34,940 --> 00:00:31,320 consideration thanks for listening and 13 00:00:37,160 --> 00:00:34,950 I'll talk to you later alright Jeff what 14 00:00:40,819 --> 00:00:37,170 do you have on tap for us tonight when 15 00:00:44,660 --> 00:00:40,829 it comes to paranormal and goofy crazy 16 00:00:46,190 --> 00:00:44,670 insane stuff I got two really 17 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:46,200 interesting cases for missing four and 18 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:48,690 one over here they come out of the 19 00:00:51,470 --> 00:00:50,010 eastern United States it's one of his 20 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:51,480 original books probably a second by 21 00:00:55,970 --> 00:00:53,489 think it's the second book for the 22 00:00:58,729 --> 00:00:55,980 missing four in one series but this will 23 00:01:01,790 --> 00:00:58,739 kind of lead into I think there's some 24 00:01:05,929 --> 00:01:01,800 overtones of Bigfoot here and also some 25 00:01:08,630 --> 00:01:05,939 other odd stuff but uh so the first case 26 00:01:10,940 --> 00:01:08,640 is about a young young boy's name was 27 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:10,950 Victor Dwight shoemaker but he went by 28 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:14,010 jr. he disappeared in the 1st of May in 29 00:01:20,330 --> 00:01:16,890 1994 in Augusta West Virginia is 5 years 30 00:01:21,710 --> 00:01:20,340 old and the town or actually it's a 31 00:01:23,420 --> 00:01:21,720 guess of West Virginia is an 32 00:01:25,550 --> 00:01:23,430 unincorporated community and it's in 33 00:01:27,050 --> 00:01:25,560 Hampshire County which is just give you 34 00:01:28,730 --> 00:01:27,060 reference not sure if there's anybody 35 00:01:30,170 --> 00:01:28,740 but it's in it you know that like 36 00:01:31,219 --> 00:01:30,180 panhandle of West Union not where we 37 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:31,229 line is with the other one that sticks 38 00:01:34,940 --> 00:01:32,970 out in the Maryland you love it been 39 00:01:36,859 --> 00:01:34,950 there it's in that most eastern County 40 00:01:39,020 --> 00:01:36,869 there and it's parently 40 miles west of 41 00:01:42,140 --> 00:01:39,030 Martinsburg something it's the closest 42 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:42,150 largest West Virginia City so it really 43 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:43,770 is in the middle of nowhere rural very 44 00:01:46,999 --> 00:01:45,810 rural now the shoemaker family was going 45 00:01:49,219 --> 00:01:47,009 to visit their grandfather who owns 46 00:01:51,050 --> 00:01:49,229 decent amount of property near the short 47 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:51,060 Mountain wildlife area for a family 48 00:01:55,609 --> 00:01:54,090 reunion his properties obviously it's in 49 00:01:57,370 --> 00:01:55,619 isolated woods done of only one way to 50 00:02:00,230 --> 00:01:57,380 get there in a very narrow winding road 51 00:02:02,330 --> 00:02:00,240 after the family arrived Jer went to go 52 00:02:05,030 --> 00:02:02,340 play with his cousin's um in the woods 53 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:05,040 there the chair how do you say was like 54 00:02:09,770 --> 00:02:07,770 five five yeah yeah so he's my other 55 00:02:11,420 --> 00:02:09,780 cousins were I believe around his age 56 00:02:12,980 --> 00:02:11,430 and apparently during these visits 57 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:12,990 juniors cousins but this 58 00:02:17,330 --> 00:02:14,370 always do this for a few hours before 59 00:02:19,100 --> 00:02:17,340 dinner was ready so after several hours 60 00:02:20,390 --> 00:02:19,110 in the woods Jared told his cousins that 61 00:02:22,220 --> 00:02:20,400 he was hungry he wanted to head back 62 00:02:24,830 --> 00:02:22,230 towards grandfather's house the other 63 00:02:27,050 --> 00:02:24,840 boys in thinking of it in they returned 64 00:02:30,020 --> 00:02:27,060 home about an hour after gr said he was 65 00:02:31,850 --> 00:02:30,030 leaving when they got back he was not 66 00:02:35,450 --> 00:02:31,860 there and his father went to immediately 67 00:02:37,610 --> 00:02:35,460 go look for now after the boy's father 68 00:02:39,170 --> 00:02:37,620 couldn't find him you know his initial 69 00:02:41,210 --> 00:02:39,180 search they contacted the State Police 70 00:02:43,190 --> 00:02:41,220 and within two hours there there were 71 00:02:44,660 --> 00:02:43,200 dozens of police searching the area but 72 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:44,670 unfortunately like we've seen here many 73 00:02:47,780 --> 00:02:46,290 times only hours into the surgery 74 00:02:51,980 --> 00:02:47,790 freezing rain storm moved into the air 75 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:51,990 of course on clock right there clockwork 76 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:55,890 like clockwork so this search went on 77 00:02:59,570 --> 00:02:57,570 for five days and it searched a two and 78 00:03:01,460 --> 00:02:59,580 a half mile radius around the house area 79 00:03:03,470 --> 00:03:01,470 and even brought in a fli are equipped 80 00:03:08,980 --> 00:03:03,480 helicopter to search for the boy FLIR 81 00:03:12,140 --> 00:03:08,990 thermal graphic mr. machine yeah correct 82 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:12,150 so about three days into the search you 83 00:03:16,610 --> 00:03:14,490 everyone missing searchers had found an 84 00:03:19,640 --> 00:03:16,620 area where they believe the boys had 85 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:19,650 slept they found three rocks arranged in 86 00:03:22,550 --> 00:03:21,090 a triangle with a stick in the middle 87 00:03:25,790 --> 00:03:22,560 and I guess in your three sides of the 88 00:03:27,230 --> 00:03:25,800 rocks there were three logs placed and 89 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:27,240 it should be noted that the cousin 90 00:03:31,070 --> 00:03:29,610 relayed this info to the news it was not 91 00:03:32,660 --> 00:03:31,080 wasn't the police for search and rescue 92 00:03:36,170 --> 00:03:32,670 the cousin had brought this up to the 93 00:03:37,430 --> 00:03:36,180 news a news crew or the investigators 94 00:03:38,900 --> 00:03:37,440 people come in local press and the 95 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:38,910 actually apparently this is a national 96 00:03:41,870 --> 00:03:40,530 story this one ninety four is I really 97 00:03:43,250 --> 00:03:41,880 remember it but apparently was a 98 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:43,260 worldwide story about this boy 99 00:03:49,970 --> 00:03:48,690 disappearing but so um search continued 100 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:49,980 through the fifth day and nothing was 101 00:03:52,850 --> 00:03:51,450 turned up and it should be noted here 102 00:03:54,500 --> 00:03:52,860 that there's ample fresh water in the 103 00:03:55,940 --> 00:03:54,510 area for him to survive on and jerry' 104 00:03:58,390 --> 00:03:55,950 would have eventually hit a ranch or 105 00:04:00,800 --> 00:03:58,400 Road if he had kept walking 106 00:04:03,050 --> 00:04:00,810 law enforcement up interviewed both 107 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:03,060 cousins with Jay both cousins of gear 108 00:04:07,670 --> 00:04:05,010 got chairs cousins in any I did not 109 00:04:09,650 --> 00:04:07,680 suspect foul play a news reporter asked 110 00:04:11,990 --> 00:04:09,660 one of dozens what they believed 111 00:04:14,690 --> 00:04:12,000 happened the one cousin stated somebody 112 00:04:18,500 --> 00:04:14,700 hiding behind tree got up and grabbed 113 00:04:22,550 --> 00:04:18,510 him and bogey doesn't like it bogan no 114 00:04:24,409 --> 00:04:22,560 bogeys in bogies alone crazy yeah I'm I 115 00:04:28,939 --> 00:04:24,419 let him on my room real quick 116 00:04:30,739 --> 00:04:28,949 stop talking all roads lead to pizza 117 00:04:35,119 --> 00:04:30,749 gate that's what bogeys just said it's 118 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:35,129 but above all not so nice freaking out 119 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:37,289 maybe just once go out of the room but 120 00:04:44,330 --> 00:04:40,050 even like a second here to come back oh 121 00:04:46,879 --> 00:04:44,340 hey so what we have is a five-year-old 122 00:04:50,179 --> 00:04:46,889 kid goes missing as he tries to head his 123 00:04:52,969 --> 00:04:50,189 way back to a family gathering and they 124 00:04:55,700 --> 00:04:52,979 start to search for him and one of the 125 00:04:58,510 --> 00:04:55,710 people who is testifying only to a news 126 00:05:02,209 --> 00:04:58,520 channel not in the police report says 127 00:05:04,820 --> 00:05:02,219 there were some symbolic weirdness 128 00:05:10,339 --> 00:05:04,830 happening they believe that he may have 129 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:10,349 slept there now um so yeah the more the 130 00:05:15,350 --> 00:05:11,849 weirdest statement given by one of the 131 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:15,360 cousins I'm not sure like his back was 132 00:05:19,369 --> 00:05:16,770 repeated now said somebody hiding behind 133 00:05:23,420 --> 00:05:19,379 a tree got up and grabbed him which is 134 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:23,430 really weird um given why would one know 135 00:05:29,149 --> 00:05:26,849 the who's the him in that uh the cousin 136 00:05:33,379 --> 00:05:29,159 said this about JR but they thought had 137 00:05:36,079 --> 00:05:33,389 happened to him okay so I guess 138 00:05:37,579 --> 00:05:36,089 questions that are she asked her why 139 00:05:39,829 --> 00:05:37,589 would law enforcement say they did not 140 00:05:41,149 --> 00:05:39,839 suspect foul play if the cousin would 141 00:05:42,679 --> 00:05:41,159 have related to them because as I had 142 00:05:44,329 --> 00:05:42,689 said earlier they would both been 143 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:44,339 interviewed by the police suspect foul 144 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:46,770 play right and why was the search 145 00:05:50,269 --> 00:05:48,810 terminated after five days in suspect 146 00:05:52,969 --> 00:05:50,279 foul play and then I searched a radius 147 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:52,979 of two and a half miles now where gr 148 00:05:57,139 --> 00:05:54,810 went missing was deep in the woods and 149 00:05:58,790 --> 00:05:57,149 isolated if had been very ice tough for 150 00:06:00,200 --> 00:05:58,800 someone to get out of there to get out 151 00:06:01,339 --> 00:06:00,210 there and try to abduct him like they 152 00:06:02,959 --> 00:06:01,349 have hadn't known kids would have been 153 00:06:07,519 --> 00:06:02,969 out there's not it's not like they're at 154 00:06:09,740 --> 00:06:07,529 a city park yeah so in November 1994 a 155 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:09,750 state investigator from the West 156 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:10,770 Virginia State Bureau of Criminal 157 00:06:14,990 --> 00:06:12,930 identification made a statement there's 158 00:06:17,659 --> 00:06:15,000 no sign of foul play but the state did 159 00:06:19,820 --> 00:06:17,669 ask the FBI to enter the investigation 160 00:06:21,980 --> 00:06:19,830 for assistance which is really odd 161 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:21,990 because the FBI has a formal policy that 162 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:23,370 they do not assist in missing person 163 00:06:29,809 --> 00:06:27,810 cases and why would the FBI get involved 164 00:06:32,179 --> 00:06:29,819 after six months into the case what was 165 00:06:33,439 --> 00:06:32,189 triggered their interest we could it 166 00:06:35,209 --> 00:06:33,449 have to do was maybe something in the 167 00:06:37,430 --> 00:06:35,219 statements of cousins had made could be 168 00:06:37,930 --> 00:06:37,440 the disturbed stuff that they found in 169 00:06:42,580 --> 00:06:37,940 the wood 170 00:06:44,140 --> 00:06:42,590 a thousand kind of ritual I was thinking 171 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:44,150 this thing I thought there was some 172 00:06:48,100 --> 00:06:46,370 ritual thing and then I like and I don't 173 00:06:50,500 --> 00:06:48,110 mean to tie it back but like the pizza 174 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:50,510 gate thing like what if kids are going 175 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:53,330 missing because we a lot of kids go 176 00:06:58,510 --> 00:06:56,330 missing you know every year what if 177 00:07:00,520 --> 00:06:58,520 they're just trying to add layers of 178 00:07:05,380 --> 00:07:00,530 complication like do you remember the 179 00:07:08,890 --> 00:07:05,390 first episode of whatever all right all 180 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:08,900 right all right um Sonny no yeah it was 181 00:07:14,350 --> 00:07:11,330 a dude that the attack of a serious 182 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:14,360 tactic true detective yeah you remember 183 00:07:18,010 --> 00:07:15,890 that first series where it's like they 184 00:07:20,620 --> 00:07:18,020 never really solve what the hell's 185 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:20,630 happening no they found out who did it 186 00:07:25,510 --> 00:07:24,290 but not why really or why yeah so what 187 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:25,520 if they're just adding a layer of 188 00:07:31,060 --> 00:07:29,210 complexity to a child abduction to throw 189 00:07:32,770 --> 00:07:31,070 people off the case to say we'll look 190 00:07:34,510 --> 00:07:32,780 they're abducting children they're 191 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:34,520 putting all the there's all these things 192 00:07:39,430 --> 00:07:37,370 happening and so we're looking for that 193 00:07:41,410 --> 00:07:39,440 pattern but no it's actually just a 194 00:07:45,790 --> 00:07:41,420 bunch of people throwing random [\h__\h] in 195 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:45,800 there to throw people off the scent it's 196 00:07:51,970 --> 00:07:49,370 possible but this is if you recall 197 00:07:54,610 --> 00:07:51,980 during the the missing four one one 198 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:54,620 voicemail the FBI got involved in that 199 00:07:59,830 --> 00:07:57,890 one too they came in took the tape and 200 00:08:01,659 --> 00:07:59,840 leave they'll get involved if they if 201 00:08:02,860 --> 00:08:01,669 foul play is suspected they'll get 202 00:08:04,330 --> 00:08:02,870 involved I please I know they have a 203 00:08:05,530 --> 00:08:04,340 formal policy if you just go missing in 204 00:08:07,570 --> 00:08:05,540 the police don't suspect foul play they 205 00:08:10,270 --> 00:08:07,580 don't get involved but if you read 206 00:08:13,420 --> 00:08:10,280 David's books you if you've heard him 207 00:08:16,330 --> 00:08:13,430 talk about missing a 401 there have been 208 00:08:19,060 --> 00:08:16,340 numerous incidences where the FBI does 209 00:08:20,970 --> 00:08:19,070 show up and there have been career guys 210 00:08:23,500 --> 00:08:20,980 that have been following these 211 00:08:25,180 --> 00:08:23,510 missing-persons cases that the same 212 00:08:28,420 --> 00:08:25,190 exact ones that that David play this 213 00:08:31,810 --> 00:08:28,430 talks about in his books and they must 214 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:31,820 know they have to have a bigger clue or 215 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:33,770 a bigger idea what's going on in is 216 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:35,930 eating them up inside that's what I 217 00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:39,650 suspect I don't know that for sure but 218 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:41,690 they must have a pretty goddamn good 219 00:08:46,990 --> 00:08:43,490 idea what's going at this point and are 220 00:08:49,140 --> 00:08:47,000 you're unable to stop it or choose a 221 00:08:52,030 --> 00:08:49,150 look the other way 222 00:08:53,500 --> 00:08:52,040 now this is very similar you'll see how 223 00:08:55,210 --> 00:08:53,510 it kind of connects together the cousin 224 00:08:58,480 --> 00:08:55,220 statement and when I read in this case 225 00:09:00,940 --> 00:08:58,490 it's pretty short but it's it's a very 226 00:09:03,070 --> 00:09:00,950 good one I think from Pennsylvania's 227 00:09:05,830 --> 00:09:03,080 from Pleasantville Pennsylvania happen 228 00:09:08,560 --> 00:09:05,840 May 14th 1950 I was about a boy named 229 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:08,570 Jackie Copeland he was 2 years old ok 230 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:10,250 Jackie his three sisters went into a 231 00:09:14,050 --> 00:09:11,930 picnic at an oil company's property 232 00:09:15,910 --> 00:09:14,060 outside of Pleasantville the family was 233 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:15,920 socializing with others brent was in a 234 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:18,050 good company picnic when Jackie 235 00:09:21,670 --> 00:09:19,490 seven-year-old sister told their father 236 00:09:23,530 --> 00:09:21,680 that Jackie was gone at 1:00 p.m. the 237 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:23,540 family I started to look for the boy 238 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:25,850 could not locate him at that point that 239 00:09:28,660 --> 00:09:27,170 everyone at the picnic started to 240 00:09:29,260 --> 00:09:28,670 participate in the search for Jackie 241 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:29,270 Cullen 242 00:09:33,820 --> 00:09:31,970 a very short period of time the state 243 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:33,830 police had arrived and they called for a 244 00:09:36,790 --> 00:09:35,330 team of bloodhounds the old company 245 00:09:37,930 --> 00:09:36,800 called for additional volunteers to 246 00:09:40,030 --> 00:09:37,940 search until hundreds of people were 247 00:09:42,340 --> 00:09:40,040 there looking for the boy it was evident 248 00:09:43,750 --> 00:09:42,350 by late in the evening that the 249 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:43,760 bloodhounds could not pick up the scent 250 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:45,770 or they refused to search one of the two 251 00:09:48,550 --> 00:09:47,090 I guess they could have said sometimes 252 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:48,560 dogs refused to search for whatever 253 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:50,810 reasons the ground searchers were not 254 00:09:55,329 --> 00:09:53,450 having luck finding the boy at 8:00 a.m. 255 00:09:58,510 --> 00:09:55,339 the following morning of Jackie 256 00:10:01,360 --> 00:09:58,520 disappearance a man named of Bevier bevy 257 00:10:01,690 --> 00:10:01,370 a Bevere not sure if that's his last 258 00:10:04,210 --> 00:10:01,700 name 259 00:10:06,250 --> 00:10:04,220 but um searching outside the main area 260 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:06,260 in a location where the oil refreshing 261 00:10:09,550 --> 00:10:08,330 plant was located yeah area was 262 00:10:11,170 --> 00:10:09,560 completely surrounded by what the 263 00:10:15,070 --> 00:10:11,180 newspaper article is the time called 264 00:10:17,170 --> 00:10:15,080 impassable swamps mister Bevere and the 265 00:10:19,510 --> 00:10:17,180 in a crew of searchers were walking 266 00:10:21,340 --> 00:10:19,520 through the swamps he accidentally a key 267 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:21,350 looking around the side of a tree almost 268 00:10:26,079 --> 00:10:23,570 peering at him Bevier called his name 269 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:26,089 Jackie answer Jackie was found over two 270 00:10:29,470 --> 00:10:27,770 miles from the picnic and across a swamp 271 00:10:33,070 --> 00:10:29,480 that was deemed impassable by search 272 00:10:35,260 --> 00:10:33,080 coordinators so Jackie was transported 273 00:10:36,730 --> 00:10:35,270 to a local hospital where he was met 274 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:36,740 with his family after being examined by 275 00:10:40,870 --> 00:10:38,810 doctors they said that the boy had a 276 00:10:44,380 --> 00:10:40,880 number of scratches but he was in 277 00:10:46,660 --> 00:10:44,390 general good health now from an article 278 00:10:49,930 --> 00:10:46,670 he has hearsay the Lang sport press 279 00:10:51,100 --> 00:10:49,940 didn't meet 17 1950 an interview with 280 00:10:52,510 --> 00:10:51,110 the Copeland's and heard Jackie's 281 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:52,520 rendition of what occurred during this 282 00:10:59,780 --> 00:10:57,050 the press wanted to hear how good the 283 00:11:01,640 --> 00:10:59,790 boy got to his location in the swamp and 284 00:11:04,610 --> 00:11:01,650 what he had to drink or eat and how he 285 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:04,620 kept warm Jackie was first asked why he 286 00:11:08,780 --> 00:11:06,450 left the picnic first of all I'm a 287 00:11:13,250 --> 00:11:08,790 missus but how old is Jackie two years 288 00:11:15,340 --> 00:11:13,260 old - okay so Jackie's first question he 289 00:11:17,630 --> 00:11:15,350 was asked by the press said in his 290 00:11:20,180 --> 00:11:17,640 response - about what do you know ate 291 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:20,190 drank and how he kept warned he said he 292 00:11:23,660 --> 00:11:21,930 saw something peering at him from behind 293 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:23,670 a big tree when he approached it the 294 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:26,250 creature scampered into the brush Jackie 295 00:11:29,420 --> 00:11:27,810 didn't explain anything more about weave 296 00:11:31,460 --> 00:11:29,430 in the picnic at this point where at 297 00:11:33,890 --> 00:11:31,470 that point the article later explained 298 00:11:37,010 --> 00:11:33,900 more of what Jackie stated he recounted 299 00:11:39,740 --> 00:11:37,020 in child talk his adventure in an awful 300 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:39,750 blackness people-people by a great 301 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:42,570 throbbing giant in at all friendly tree 302 00:11:46,100 --> 00:11:44,130 and wild animals howling in the distance 303 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:46,110 and unfamiliar shouts of strangers 304 00:11:50,660 --> 00:11:49,530 probably nearby Jackie Copeland's 305 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:50,670 explanation of what occurred to him 306 00:11:53,660 --> 00:11:52,170 could be very well sobering narrative 307 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:53,670 for what might possibly be occurring - 308 00:11:58,460 --> 00:11:55,170 something's other plus over missile when 309 00:11:59,690 --> 00:11:58,470 children so I guess the big question 310 00:12:01,400 --> 00:11:59,700 here the rest of this display does his 311 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:01,410 commentary is what was that peering 312 00:12:05,690 --> 00:12:03,210 behind a tree and scampered off into the 313 00:12:09,829 --> 00:12:05,700 forest most other stuff that he saw now 314 00:12:11,570 --> 00:12:09,839 if we go back to the the case of the JR 315 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:11,580 shoemaker remember his cousin made a 316 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:14,010 statement that was quote somebody hiding 317 00:12:28,730 --> 00:12:23,260 Ivan I have a wild berry go for it 318 00:12:29,870 --> 00:12:28,740 okay my wild there is hey look I'll tell 319 00:12:33,410 --> 00:12:29,880 you what book summary right now I'm 320 00:12:33,770 --> 00:12:33,420 right I'm currently reading yeah what's 321 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:33,780 that 322 00:12:38,680 --> 00:12:35,610 at your in the Rye no not catching her 323 00:12:41,860 --> 00:12:38,690 eye and not Playboy but I'm reading 324 00:12:45,770 --> 00:12:41,870 bizarre encounters and also have the 325 00:12:47,329 --> 00:12:45,780 field guide to extraterrestrials now 326 00:12:48,770 --> 00:12:47,339 along with a couple of our books my 327 00:12:53,380 --> 00:12:48,780 Kindle these my physical books I'm 328 00:12:58,610 --> 00:12:53,390 reading my my theory is that Sasquatch 329 00:13:02,690 --> 00:12:58,620 Bigfoot and UFOs and aliens are working 330 00:13:05,390 --> 00:13:02,700 together and that story we did a few 331 00:13:07,220 --> 00:13:05,400 episodes ago maybe last episode the 332 00:13:09,020 --> 00:13:07,230 Bigfoot UFO encounter that videos 333 00:13:11,990 --> 00:13:09,030 YouTube I believe that's actually 334 00:13:13,580 --> 00:13:12,000 somewhat true if we're gonna go down 335 00:13:17,780 --> 00:13:13,590 this bizarre theory which is that I 336 00:13:21,260 --> 00:13:17,790 believe that Bigfoot can collect people 337 00:13:23,380 --> 00:13:21,270 and then and they're collected and 338 00:13:27,650 --> 00:13:23,390 they're possibly taken at a later date 339 00:13:29,780 --> 00:13:27,660 by aliens or Bigfoot all right names are 340 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:29,790 UFOs go ahead and calm UFOs they're 341 00:13:34,730 --> 00:13:32,250 taken by UFOs so not only does this 342 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:34,740 Bigfoot actually work at work as active 343 00:13:40,130 --> 00:13:38,130 security or UFOs they actually collect 344 00:13:42,770 --> 00:13:40,140 things for them and they must get some 345 00:13:44,570 --> 00:13:42,780 kind of reward in the end depending on 346 00:13:45,710 --> 00:13:44,580 what they collect and if it's no good 347 00:13:47,780 --> 00:13:45,720 they let them go or if they get 348 00:13:52,180 --> 00:13:47,790 interrupted they did their let go or if 349 00:13:59,090 --> 00:13:55,010 think the Sasquatch are the the feet on 350 00:14:01,160 --> 00:13:59,100 the ground and I think they're buying by 351 00:14:02,780 --> 00:14:01,170 and large if you not if they don't want 352 00:14:04,370 --> 00:14:02,790 you if you're not in their kind of 353 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:04,380 profile of what the aliens are looking 354 00:14:10,490 --> 00:14:07,170 for you're good all right okay so I on 355 00:14:13,610 --> 00:14:10,500 board if you replace aliens and Bigfoot 356 00:14:19,430 --> 00:14:13,620 with child traffickers and high-ranking 357 00:14:21,110 --> 00:14:19,440 politicians and Bigfoot maybe Bigfoot is 358 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:21,120 in there I think that's definitely going 359 00:14:25,010 --> 00:14:22,770 on Joe said the child trafficking 360 00:14:26,270 --> 00:14:25,020 obviously is it's too blatant to be 361 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:26,280 really nice even though there's no 362 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:27,690 high-ranking officials involved in this 363 00:14:31,850 --> 00:14:29,130 but then these child traffickers must 364 00:14:34,550 --> 00:14:31,860 have some really good stealth technology 365 00:14:36,530 --> 00:14:34,560 and transportation to get in and out of 366 00:14:41,300 --> 00:14:36,540 these environments quickly and quietly 367 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:41,310 they've trained velociraptors to behave 368 00:14:48,050 --> 00:14:43,290 like dolphins and they can escort 369 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:48,060 children in their jaws gently I know 370 00:14:53,630 --> 00:14:51,930 that's your uh your bar out there I know 371 00:14:56,140 --> 00:14:53,640 you're uh you're poking little fun out 372 00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:56,150 of shoo I get it I like it it's fine 373 00:15:02,180 --> 00:14:58,050 I'll give you a little Loulou for that 374 00:15:05,030 --> 00:15:02,190 well you wanna but I might have to go 375 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:05,040 down the Sasquatch there's been reports 376 00:15:11,380 --> 00:15:08,130 and sightings of a Bigfoot and UFOs 377 00:15:14,810 --> 00:15:11,390 there haven't been reporting reports of 378 00:15:17,170 --> 00:15:14,820 velociraptors in the woods yeah but you 379 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:17,180 can't prove that they're not there 380 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:20,210 true I'm just giving you our time I'm 381 00:15:23,710 --> 00:15:21,650 doing the exact same thing that 382 00:15:26,620 --> 00:15:23,720 everybody on reddit is doing about pizza 383 00:15:29,230 --> 00:15:26,630 gay right now okay yeah you think the 384 00:15:30,670 --> 00:15:29,240 dinosaurs in the basement the raping 385 00:15:31,930 --> 00:15:30,680 kids in the table the customers are 386 00:15:33,730 --> 00:15:31,940 there I hate people so much you got 387 00:15:34,930 --> 00:15:33,740 anything more to that story Jeff no that 388 00:15:38,770 --> 00:15:34,940 was it those are the two interesting 389 00:15:41,050 --> 00:15:38,780 cases uh for missing for one so the one 390 00:15:44,610 --> 00:15:41,060 like met past sightless story I have the 391 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:44,620 kind of saddles up to this this is from 392 00:15:49,510 --> 00:15:47,810 the book by a phantom phantoms and 393 00:15:50,140 --> 00:15:49,520 monsters which is a pretty good website 394 00:15:52,900 --> 00:15:50,150 go there 395 00:15:55,060 --> 00:15:52,910 these are first-hand encounters of very 396 00:15:56,670 --> 00:15:55,070 weird encounters and sightings and these 397 00:15:59,670 --> 00:15:56,680 are what people have written in and 398 00:16:03,210 --> 00:15:59,680 claimed that they have witnessed and 399 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:03,220 this is from the book bizarre encounters 400 00:16:08,430 --> 00:16:05,930 no this is not about visiting rest stops 401 00:16:11,140 --> 00:16:08,440 on the highway this is about people 402 00:16:13,330 --> 00:16:11,150 experiencing things in their daily lives 403 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:13,340 there's nothing bizarre about rest stop 404 00:16:19,570 --> 00:16:16,490 encounter no not the ones I go to okay 405 00:16:24,190 --> 00:16:19,580 this one is possible Sasquatch incident 406 00:16:27,100 --> 00:16:24,200 on military base in 2011 I was working 407 00:16:29,260 --> 00:16:27,110 at the Lewis McQuoid a McCord military 408 00:16:31,660 --> 00:16:29,270 base located south of the coma I was 409 00:16:33,610 --> 00:16:31,670 employed at Public Works and assigned to 410 00:16:35,650 --> 00:16:33,620 the environmental department was perfect 411 00:16:36,700 --> 00:16:35,660 group conducting a study in the southern 412 00:16:38,950 --> 00:16:36,710 section of the base 413 00:16:42,250 --> 00:16:38,960 there were several soldiers attached to 414 00:16:43,540 --> 00:16:42,260 the group or security we had we had been 415 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:43,550 out in the field all day and we're 416 00:16:48,850 --> 00:16:46,010 getting ready to head back to the lab 417 00:16:51,100 --> 00:16:48,860 about 5:30 p.m. we heard a distress call 418 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:51,110 from the radio and one of the security 419 00:16:56,770 --> 00:16:53,210 has is located in the north of our 420 00:17:00,970 --> 00:16:56,780 location and then we heard gunshots 421 00:17:04,540 --> 00:17:00,980 coming from the same direction the best 422 00:17:07,090 --> 00:17:04,550 I can describe the situation is that all 423 00:17:09,910 --> 00:17:07,100 hell broke loose the civilians were 424 00:17:12,370 --> 00:17:09,920 hustled out of the area immediately when 425 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:12,380 we we alive back at the lab we were told 426 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:15,290 by the command that our department would 427 00:17:21,340 --> 00:17:18,890 be not active until further notice the 428 00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:21,350 next day I received a phone call at home 429 00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:23,510 from a lady I worked with it was 430 00:17:28,450 --> 00:17:25,130 wondering if I had heard anything I told 431 00:17:29,950 --> 00:17:28,460 her I had that no one contacted me but I 432 00:17:31,030 --> 00:17:29,960 was having dinner with friends who 433 00:17:33,250 --> 00:17:31,040 worked on the base 434 00:17:36,010 --> 00:17:33,260 she seemed very concerned because no one 435 00:17:37,690 --> 00:17:36,020 was answering the calls at the base that 436 00:17:39,460 --> 00:17:37,700 evening I gotta gather the friends who 437 00:17:41,860 --> 00:17:39,470 worked in the other Public Works 438 00:17:43,900 --> 00:17:41,870 Department at the base at the time there 439 00:17:45,340 --> 00:17:43,910 was no official information available 440 00:17:49,270 --> 00:17:45,350 but there was a lot of rumors floating 441 00:17:52,210 --> 00:17:49,280 around the most prevalent rumors was 442 00:17:54,100 --> 00:17:52,220 that of the security detail went off his 443 00:17:57,550 --> 00:17:54,110 rocker and started shooting at other 444 00:18:00,310 --> 00:17:57,560 personnel we're all called back to work 445 00:18:02,170 --> 00:18:00,320 about a week later we each were given a 446 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:02,180 written statement that despite the 447 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:04,490 rumors the incident was a false alarm 448 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:07,610 and that no one had discharged their 449 00:18:12,130 --> 00:18:10,250 firearms we all rolled her eyes each one 450 00:18:14,830 --> 00:18:12,140 of us had heard gunshots and realized 451 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:14,840 the situation was more serious than the 452 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:16,850 military was stating a month or so later 453 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:18,770 I was collecting samples in the field 454 00:18:24,010 --> 00:18:21,410 and was accompanied by two soldiers for 455 00:18:27,070 --> 00:18:24,020 security we were back in the general 456 00:18:28,570 --> 00:18:27,080 area of the mysterious incident one of 457 00:18:30,550 --> 00:18:28,580 the soldiers mentioned that all the 458 00:18:33,220 --> 00:18:30,560 security people who were on duty that 459 00:18:35,170 --> 00:18:33,230 particular day were no longer with the 460 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:35,180 division which I thought was very odd I 461 00:18:38,410 --> 00:18:36,650 asked that they have heard anything 462 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:38,420 about the incident with a straight face 463 00:18:44,230 --> 00:18:41,690 he said something was shot after it 464 00:18:45,490 --> 00:18:44,240 scared a group of soldiers I mentioned 465 00:18:47,650 --> 00:18:45,500 that I thought soldiers were not 466 00:18:49,780 --> 00:18:47,660 authorized to shoot wildlife both the 467 00:18:52,570 --> 00:18:49,790 soldiers snickered and agreed with my 468 00:18:55,690 --> 00:18:52,580 account with my comment I asked what was 469 00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:55,700 it they explained that they were never 470 00:19:01,150 --> 00:18:59,600 told what the something was but there 471 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:01,160 had been unconfirmed sightings of 472 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:03,170 sasquatches and other unknown man-like 473 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:05,570 creatures in and around the base this 474 00:19:08,830 --> 00:19:07,010 information didn't really surprise me 475 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:08,840 since I grew up in Portland Oregon and 476 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:14,890 was aware of the legend he's up Jan yeah 477 00:19:23,490 --> 00:19:19,130 sorry it's alright I just have to be 478 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:23,500 kind of curious man like you know it man 479 00:19:30,460 --> 00:19:27,770 yeah I'm a man okay it kind of goes back 480 00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:30,470 Nick you know there are missing 401 481 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:32,960 cases we we talked about damn place 482 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:36,170 Plato's obviously knows about the rights 483 00:19:40,450 --> 00:19:38,090 about these things where the military 484 00:19:42,670 --> 00:19:40,460 the Green Beret show or SWAT teams show 485 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:42,680 up there's the some kind of uniform 486 00:19:46,450 --> 00:19:43,490 outfit 487 00:19:47,919 --> 00:19:46,460 shows up after a disappearance now 488 00:19:52,419 --> 00:19:47,929 here's an incident on a military base 489 00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:52,429 was very hush-hush it seems like people 490 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:54,080 in government know about what's going on 491 00:19:59,320 --> 00:19:56,650 with some of these reader sightings and 492 00:20:01,419 --> 00:19:59,330 the outsi can't control it because if 493 00:20:03,820 --> 00:20:01,429 they can control it they would put it 494 00:20:07,930 --> 00:20:03,830 down or monetize it in some way that 495 00:20:13,419 --> 00:20:07,940 hasn't happened they would put it like 496 00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:13,429 in some kind of zoo right well or I mean 497 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:16,370 like I get I get the impression that the 498 00:20:21,370 --> 00:20:18,170 alien thing the Bigfoot thing like I 499 00:20:23,410 --> 00:20:21,380 said we talked about the Giants and you 500 00:20:25,660 --> 00:20:23,420 know the there's plenty of people who 501 00:20:27,490 --> 00:20:25,670 have talked about all the stuff that's 502 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:27,500 hidden by the Smithsonian like I feel 503 00:20:32,770 --> 00:20:29,450 like it's just whatever it is they're 504 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:32,780 hiding it's got to be so narrative 505 00:20:36,850 --> 00:20:35,690 shattering that they'll do like what 506 00:20:38,650 --> 00:20:36,860 they do with pizza gate they'll just 507 00:20:40,510 --> 00:20:38,660 little they'll they'll do anything to 508 00:20:45,370 --> 00:20:40,520 basically keep it from people even 509 00:20:49,870 --> 00:20:45,380 people who are military personnel it's 510 00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:49,880 yeah um III would have to agree with you 511 00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:52,640 that it must real story the real story 512 00:20:57,700 --> 00:20:56,240 of humanity and what's going on with 513 00:21:00,250 --> 00:20:57,710 anything I don't know if you whether you 514 00:21:01,570 --> 00:21:00,260 believe in UFOs or not or any 515 00:21:04,810 --> 00:21:01,580 conspiracies there's probably something 516 00:21:08,530 --> 00:21:04,820 so bizarre going on that it is totally 517 00:21:10,930 --> 00:21:08,540 earth-shattering not just it faith-based 518 00:21:13,980 --> 00:21:10,940 not just like religious shattering 519 00:21:16,660 --> 00:21:13,990 probably economically in some way 520 00:21:18,130 --> 00:21:16,670 there's been numerous dogmas that has 521 00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:18,140 been smashed there's been changes of 522 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:20,240 religion belief systems that have 523 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:23,450 changed changed over the years yeah so 524 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:26,290 this one must be economic in some way 525 00:21:32,110 --> 00:21:29,210 that it must be such a huge economic 526 00:21:35,049 --> 00:21:32,120 impact in some way that people won't be 527 00:21:35,740 --> 00:21:35,059 able to go to work and then the economy 528 00:21:38,919 --> 00:21:35,750 will go bye-bye 529 00:21:40,419 --> 00:21:38,929 and then Anarchy will erupt and then the 530 00:21:42,430 --> 00:21:40,429 ruling elite will must be forced down 531 00:21:43,780 --> 00:21:42,440 into their bunkers and then once 532 00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:43,790 everything is calm down they'll come 533 00:21:48,330 --> 00:21:45,710 back up and hundred years and rule over 534 00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:48,340 us Morlocks 535 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:51,919 hopefully that's positive and that's the 536 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:53,890 best-case scenario people 537 00:21:58,110 --> 00:21:56,290 well honestly I'm one of these people I 538 00:22:00,780 --> 00:21:58,120 just want to warm my feet at the fire of 539 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:00,790 the world as it all burns just to see 540 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:02,890 what happens because uh you know there's 541 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:04,210 too many people who just don't pay 542 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:06,130 attention to any of this stuff I mean we 543 00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:09,610 entertained some wacky ideas here yes 544 00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:12,400 and I think that that's fun because 545 00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:14,320 honest-to-goodness if you think that 546 00:22:20,100 --> 00:22:16,809 we're fake news and that the real news 547 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:20,110 is real news like CNN is more real than 548 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:22,330 us like we're just looking at all the 549 00:22:28,260 --> 00:22:25,330 evidence in being fear I feel like we're 550 00:22:30,750 --> 00:22:28,270 pretty objective yes we want to believe 551 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:30,760 you know we want to believe in UFOs we 552 00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:33,130 want to believe in Bigfoots and we John 553 00:22:37,020 --> 00:22:35,440 Podesta wants to believe in UFOs for 554 00:22:39,030 --> 00:22:37,030 Pete's sakes he's Hillary Clinton's 555 00:22:41,850 --> 00:22:39,040 Hillary Clinton wasn't she bragging 556 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:41,860 about like opening up the UFO FILES and 557 00:22:46,590 --> 00:22:43,450 all this stuff yeah and so cleanse a big 558 00:22:49,169 --> 00:22:46,600 big fan of that stuff - yeah and in 559 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:49,179 Jimmy Kimmel and you know a lot of these 560 00:22:53,909 --> 00:22:50,530 talk show hosts they all want to know 561 00:22:56,669 --> 00:22:53,919 like we're all fascinated by this stuff 562 00:22:58,350 --> 00:22:56,679 but anytime you ever get close to 563 00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:58,360 something that goes against the 564 00:23:03,780 --> 00:23:01,360 narrative it's almost like okay well 565 00:23:05,460 --> 00:23:03,790 we're not allowed to talk about that so 566 00:23:07,289 --> 00:23:05,470 why don't you shut up ibly more has been 567 00:23:09,780 --> 00:23:07,299 written or said about our hot dogs and 568 00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:09,790 about any other in America yep exactly 569 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:13,120 yeah our hot dogs are legendary it is 570 00:23:17,970 --> 00:23:15,610 it's kind of like a it's almost like a 571 00:23:19,530 --> 00:23:17,980 movie The Matrix in some way once you're 572 00:23:22,740 --> 00:23:19,540 close to figuring out that you're in a 573 00:23:25,710 --> 00:23:22,750 matrix they're like whoa rest up in here 574 00:23:27,450 --> 00:23:25,720 real quick exactly I I definitely 575 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:27,460 believe that that's true and I think the 576 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:29,770 four one one cases are an example of 577 00:23:33,390 --> 00:23:31,690 that a lot of the four all-in-one cases 578 00:23:36,750 --> 00:23:33,400 I think there's a plenty of evidence 579 00:23:39,060 --> 00:23:36,760 with the UFO stuff to say you know and 580 00:23:41,730 --> 00:23:39,070 David Seaman who was doing these videos 581 00:23:43,789 --> 00:23:41,740 on the pizza gate stuff he says you know 582 00:23:49,710 --> 00:23:43,799 what when I was working in professional 583 00:23:53,070 --> 00:23:49,720 journalism if we as a journalists didn't 584 00:23:55,710 --> 00:23:53,080 agree with whatever was being posited in 585 00:23:58,760 --> 00:23:55,720 a book that was coming out even if it 586 00:24:02,610 --> 00:23:58,770 was by a well-respected writer or author 587 00:24:05,730 --> 00:24:02,620 we wouldn't combat the information that 588 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:05,740 was coming out inside the book we just 589 00:24:10,590 --> 00:24:07,570 wouldn't cover it at all 590 00:24:13,250 --> 00:24:10,600 yeah we die go away yeah just forget 591 00:24:16,140 --> 00:24:13,260 about it which is why he's soaking in 592 00:24:17,580 --> 00:24:16,150 somebody who's been his whole thing has 593 00:24:20,850 --> 00:24:17,590 been Bitcoin I've been following this 594 00:24:22,260 --> 00:24:20,860 guy for five years easily three through 595 00:24:23,670 --> 00:24:22,270 three to five years I don't even know 596 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:23,680 how long he's been doing his thing but 597 00:24:27,630 --> 00:24:24,850 I've been following him for a long time 598 00:24:30,660 --> 00:24:27,640 he's been all about Bitcoin he was a 599 00:24:32,190 --> 00:24:30,670 huge Democrat he loved Obama he you know 600 00:24:35,370 --> 00:24:32,200 I've been following this guy and I 601 00:24:37,710 --> 00:24:35,380 listen to everybody and so for this guy 602 00:24:40,890 --> 00:24:37,720 to get like fired from huffington post 603 00:24:43,650 --> 00:24:40,900 while questioning the Hillary's health 604 00:24:45,540 --> 00:24:43,660 thing and then to go onto the pizza gate 605 00:24:47,460 --> 00:24:45,550 thing and have his videos removed I mean 606 00:24:49,050 --> 00:24:47,470 this is what they do when there's 607 00:24:51,630 --> 00:24:49,060 actually something there but for him to 608 00:24:53,220 --> 00:24:51,640 say that you know we'll the missing four 609 00:24:56,490 --> 00:24:53,230 oh and one stuff does it get any press 610 00:24:58,940 --> 00:24:56,500 now because they don't want you to look 611 00:25:01,830 --> 00:24:58,950 at it that's absolutely true 612 00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:01,840 it's pretty disturbing stuff do they